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Re: Low scores

By Cjfred68
9/05/2018 5:04 pm

Here's a link to the game in 2007 that was 3-0 between Pitt and Miami


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/sports/27iht-NFL.1.8493504.html&ved=2ahUKEwibkdfP7qTdAhXxuFkKHQinBswQFjAKegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3q6tKt1OdVEHDaabzA1rMn
Last edited at 9/05/2018 5:05 pm

Re: Low scores

By punisher
9/05/2018 7:39 pm
RedNU wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
I am not an NFL historian but I doubt there has been an NFL game, regular or preseason with a final score of 3-2 in over 50 years.


From the department of useless information, I don't have access to pre-season scores, but eight games have featured 5 or fewer points in the NFL since 1966 (but only once in the 2000s). None have been 3-2 final scores though:

1 2007/11/26 Pittsburgh Steelers 3 - Miami Dolphins 0
1 1993/12/11 New York Jets 3 - Washington Redskins 0
1 1982/12/12 New England Patriots 3 - Miami Dolphins 0
1 1979/12/16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3 - Kansas City Chiefs 0
1 1977/10/16 Buffalo Bills 3 - Atlanta Falcons 0
1 1971/11/14 Minnesota Vikings 3 - Green Bay Packers 0
7 1978/10/22 Buffalo Bills 5 - Cincinnati Bengals 0
7 1970/12/26 Dallas Cowboys 5 - Detroit Lions 0

That said, I agree that an abundance of ultra-low scores probably would not be healthy over the long haul. That said, one preseason game makes for a small data set so I'm nowhere near ready to panic yet.



lowest scoring games combined = http://mcubed.net/nfl/pttotlgm.shtml
lowest scoring games for regular season = http://mcubed.net/nfl/pttotlrs.shtml
lowest scoring games for playoffs = http://mcubed.net/nfl/pttotlpl.shtml


found 2 games that scored less that 3 points

The Green Bay Packers defeated the Chicago Bears 2-0 on October 16, 1932.
link = https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Green+Bay+Packers+defeated+the+Chicago+Bears+2-0+on+October+16%2C+1932.&oq=The+Green+Bay+Packers+defeated+the+Chicago+Bears+2-0+on+October+16%2C+1932.&aqs=chrome..69i57.1002j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The Chicago Bears defeated the Green Bay Packers 2-0 on September 18, 1938.
link = https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Chicago+Bears+defeated+the+Green+Bay+Packers+2-0+on+September+18%2C+1938.&oq=The+Chicago+Bears+defeated+the+Green+Bay+Packers+2-0+on+September+18%2C+1938.&aqs=chrome..69i57.881j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Last edited at 9/05/2018 7:46 pm

Re: Low scores

By punisher
9/05/2018 8:05 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
I dont need a poll to know that people would prefer watching high scoring games 38-35 over watching low scoring 10-7 games. .



you are probably better not knowing because i had to do alot of work to do it

Had to make one in MFN 1 discussion because you cant do one in General Discussion

then had to post each link for both to do it.

And may not even get anyone to Vote

Here is General Discussion = https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/community/1/4832?page=1&x=QR2UDakFUc#29631

here is POLL = https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/forums/1/1675?page=1&x=A1XRen74LV#10126

Re: Low scores

By setherick
9/05/2018 8:21 pm
So, short answer here: the AI game plans are all garbage.

I watched about 40-120 hours of alpha league games when I was diagnosing problems with 0.4.3 back in January and February before my life got really busy. All AI game plans are genuinely awful. It's one of the reasons why it's really hard to diagnose exploits until code goes live because the AI game plans minimize it.

JDB should find a bunch of game plans from consistently good players to run the alpha servers with. It would make diagnosing problems easier. He should also turn over game planning to someone else and have them reset all of the default game plans.

Another fun fact: AI teams don't play rookies because the current player sort is set to best overall instead of best potential. ... The more you know.

Re: Low scores

By Cjfred68
9/05/2018 8:29 pm
Punisher you found 2 games from the 30s. I said the last 50 years. Obviously a lot has changed in football since the 30's. I think you are really going off on a tangent here anyway.

My original point was that scoring was down overall in preseason week 1 compared to every other league (9 total) that I have personally drafted a team with an allocation draft. Go back and look at the first preseason games of other new leagues with an allocation draft....you wont find a trend or pattern in the scores, you will find a wide and varied spectrum of scores for all the games.

Whether the scoring is high or low overall doesnt matter for the competitive balance of a league. Now that the team is drafted in this roster only league, an owner has almost zero impact on the outcome of the games. Besides setting the depth chart, small tweaks to the roster and future drafts, trades and free agents, our impact on the team is over. I would venture to say that 90% of you roster is set for the first 2 seasons.

Re: Low scores

By Cjfred68
9/05/2018 8:33 pm
Honestly, I was just making an observation and now I truly regret sharing it. Time will tell what the future scoring will be like, besides there is nothing we as owners can do to change it anyway.

Re: Low scores

By setherick
9/05/2018 8:39 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Honestly, I was just making an observation and now I truly regret sharing it. Time will tell what the future scoring will be like, besides there is nothing we as owners can do to change it anyway.


I'm just sharing from my observations watching season after season in alpha servers that these scores are perfectly representative of AI game plans.

Re: Low scores

By RedNU
9/05/2018 8:53 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Honestly, I was just making an observation and now I truly regret sharing it. Time will tell what the future scoring will be like, besides there is nothing we as owners can do to change it anyway.


You're fine -- I wasn't trying to attack you or anything when I chimed in and appreciated the observation because I really hadn't scanned beyond my own game and my upcoming Week 2 opponent so probably would have missed the overall trend had you not called attention to it.

Re: Low scores

By Cjfred68
9/05/2018 9:14 pm
setherick wrote:
So, short answer here: the AI game plans are all garbage.

I watched about 40-120 hours of alpha league games when I was diagnosing problems with 0.4.3 back in January and February before my life got really busy. All AI game plans are genuinely awful. It's one of the reasons why it's really hard to diagnose exploits until code goes live because the AI game plans minimize it.

JDB should find a bunch of game plans from consistently good players to run the alpha servers with. It would make diagnosing problems easier. He should also turn over game planning to someone else and have them reset all of the default game plans.

Another fun fact: AI teams don't play rookies because the current player sort is set to best overall instead of best potential. ... The more you know.


Finally somebody who understands why I'm concerned about the scoring. In essence, you could draft a Ferrari but the AI wont go over 30 mph

Re: Low scores

By setherick
9/05/2018 9:17 pm
<wrong thread>
Last edited at 9/05/2018 9:18 pm